Talk:Sarah Baartman

Images, Sara Baartman

Hi there Please revisit the images that are used on the wiki site for Sara Baartman. The text includes a very strong critique of the display and representation of Baartman's body, yet the images that currently accompany the text simply reinscribe the original harm. Diana Ferrus, whose poem was, as you note, instrumental in the return of Sara Baartman's bones and who took an active role in her reburial, would be happy to discuss this with you. There is a wiki page for Ferrus. Many thanks FROSSUCT (talk) 08:37, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Fiona Ross

At least two of those are caricatures contrasting with and ridiculing the grotescs of short kilted scotsmen and overweight politicians thus proving at least some unease with the display. At the same time, can we undo the "original harm"? If not, we cannot but reinscribe it in words or pictures as a reminder and warning. Ol hogger (talk) 09:53, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Additional images need to be added to this article. The reality is many people don’t even read the lead paragraph when they visit Wikipedia, they only look at the pictures. The only representative imagery of these women are racist caricatures. An unfortunate takeaway for readers skimming the page. Additional photos need to be added to offset this. And perhaps the current selection could be thinned(?) 3 cartoons seems redundant. I think one could be removed, leaving the two cartoons that provide the best food for thought. When choosing images and written content, we cannot lose sight of the goal of Wikipedia – Creating content that is useful to general readers from all walks of life with varying degrees of education; from those writing a thesis or dissertation, to younger students working on basic writing assignments. These cartoons likely go right over the head of many people who look at them even after reading the information attached to, or contained within, the cartoons. At the very least, a simple portrait of one of these women needs to be located and included on the page.

@FROSSUCT: Thank you very much for alerting people that Diana Ferrus has a Wikipedia page.

Sexism

This section needs better separation between scientific interest, racist bias and perception of the "plain people". The header is misleading, since sexuality is but one amongst other presumed "proofs" of "primitiveness". We need citations, too. Ol hogger (talk) 09:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Her birth name

Looking up "Sarah Baartman original name" on google gives some little articles on other websites that claim her birth name was "Ssehura" but give no source, seems like this was chosen by someone at one point to be a legit name which sounds the closest to Sarah which is why she got that name by the dutch, should that be mentioned or not? 138.255.51.3 (talk) 19:00, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I looked up a bit further and it seems that this (https://doc.lagout.org/Others/Temple.University.-.Black.Venus.pdf, page 4 [9 in the pdf reader]) is where the "Ssehura" name originated or was at least propagated since some other small stuff from before it (2010) sometimes appear, the name Ssehura and D. Willis' work (above) is cited in this researchgate too https://www.researchgate.net/publication/345334092_Undoing_the_Hottentoting_of_the_Queen_of_Punt_A_Jamaican_Afronography_on_the_Kemetiu_Depiction_of_Ati_of_Punt

So i think it is possible to mention that her birth name might have been Ssehura 138.255.51.3 (talk) 20:22, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: History of Sexuality

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 10 January 2023 and 19 April 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Khushimasson (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Bdan2525.

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